Comments for OLAPR Council http://olaprcouncil.org Our Lady of the Angels Pastoral Region ~ Bishop Edward Wm. Clark Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:53:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 Comment on A Reflection on Death with Dignity by james http://olaprcouncil.org/2007/04/18/a-reflection-on-death-with-dignity/comment-page-1/#comment-80 james Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:02:52 +0000 http://olaprcouncil.org/2007/04/18/a-reflection-on-death-with-dignity/#comment-80 A response to Mr. Sharpe *** First, a particular matter... I knew Richard Roach, SJ, (d. 2008). He was a Catholic moral theologian, not a 'Biblical scholar' - very different fields. His position for most of his priestly life was that, yes, there is no absolute prohibition (in all cases) against capital punishment. However, it is generally not moral where secure and humane forms of incarceration are available, as in our current society. (He also thought the idea of the Bible being self-interpreting outside of Church Tradition to be absurd, but that is another issue for another day.) This is an important distinction - there being no absolute against capital punishment is _not_ the same as saying it is licit as a matter of course in a our society. A position which this post oddly glosses over and which many of these same Catholic figures you quote in fact hold. Thus they would hardly support the implied conclusion here that the death penalty be more routine in murder cases. It is obvious to me some of your information is flawed and some of these quotes inordinately simplified out of context, to make the speaker support a position that they do not. A response to Mr. Sharpe

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First, a particular matter… I knew Richard Roach, SJ, (d. 2008).

He was a Catholic moral theologian, not a ‘Biblical scholar’ - very different fields. His position for most of his priestly life was that, yes, there is no absolute prohibition (in all cases) against capital punishment. However, it is generally not moral where secure and humane forms of incarceration are available, as in our current society. (He also thought the idea of the Bible being self-interpreting outside of Church Tradition to be absurd, but that is another issue for another day.)

This is an important distinction - there being no absolute against capital punishment is _not_ the same as saying it is licit as a matter of course in a our society. A position which this post oddly glosses over and which many of these same Catholic figures you quote in fact hold.

Thus they would hardly support the implied conclusion here that the death penalty be more routine in murder cases.

It is obvious to me some of your information is flawed and some of these quotes inordinately simplified out of context, to make the speaker support a position that they do not.

]]> Comment on Voices in the Wilderness - September/October Edition by Lelis Cruzata http://olaprcouncil.org/2008/10/01/vim/comment-page-1/#comment-48 Lelis Cruzata Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:15:10 +0000 http://olaprcouncil.org/?p=73#comment-48 What issues in your Parish and the region concern you? WE NEED TO UNIFY PARISHES AND PARISH ETHNIC GROUPS, THERE IS A PERCEPTION OF DIVISION. WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE SUPPORT AND PARTICIPATION ON MINISTRIES THAT PROMOTES FORMATION AND PARISH CENTERED ACTIVITIES THAT GATHERS EVERYBODY AS ONE. What issues in your Parish and the region concern you?
WE NEED TO UNIFY PARISHES AND PARISH ETHNIC GROUPS, THERE IS A PERCEPTION OF DIVISION. WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE SUPPORT AND PARTICIPATION ON MINISTRIES THAT PROMOTES FORMATION AND PARISH CENTERED ACTIVITIES THAT GATHERS EVERYBODY AS ONE.

]]> Comment on We Want to Hear From You: What Issues in Your Parish and the Region Concern You? by Nan Khan http://olaprcouncil.org/2008/09/24/we-want-to-hear-from-you/comment-page-1/#comment-47 Nan Khan Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:59:09 +0000 http://olaprcouncil.org/?p=66#comment-47 I would love to see more friendliness and unity at church. I actually feel offended by the snares and rudeness, even when offering one another peace. And fellowship? No one even says good morning. shame. I'm considering a new parish, my efforts are wasted. I would love to see more friendliness and unity at church. I actually feel offended by the snares and rudeness, even when offering one another peace. And fellowship? No one even says good morning. shame. I’m considering a new parish, my efforts are wasted.

]]> Comment on We Want to Hear From You: What Issues in Your Parish and the Region Concern You? by Art G. http://olaprcouncil.org/2008/09/24/we-want-to-hear-from-you/comment-page-1/#comment-46 Art G. Fri, 26 Sep 2008 01:29:07 +0000 http://olaprcouncil.org/?p=66#comment-46 I believe our main goal is and should be to see as many people as possible in heaven once the time comes for us to be there. Wouldn't it be great to see all of our fellow parishioners in heaven? We Catholics as a parish, as a region, as a whole should emphasis the way to salvation in the Mass. Possibly just before any announcements are given or before communion as some parishioners tend to leave after they take communion. I believe those who don't spend time in the word which are many, even though they come to Mass every Sunday understand little if at all, the way to salvation. I really love the way our Lord Jesus Christ is worshiped in our Mass, but shouldn't salvation be clearly pointed out to our parishioners, the body of Christ? Isn't this why Jesus Christ came down from the glory of heaven and became man, and who went through all the agony, suffering, and humiliation, and died on the cross for? Isn't this what he would want? What a shame it would be if Jesus Christ did all of this for just a few souls. What a shame that would be if we couldn't see all of our parishioners in heaven. What a shame if God gave up his one and only Son in return for a small harvest. Shame on us if we don't do what we were sent here to do especially if we know the way and keep it to ourselves! God Bless Us All! I believe our main goal is and should be to see as many people as possible in heaven once the time comes for us to be there. Wouldn’t it be great to see all of our fellow parishioners in heaven?

We Catholics as a parish, as a region, as a whole should emphasis the way to salvation in the Mass. Possibly just before any announcements are given or before communion as some parishioners tend to leave after they take communion.

I believe those who don’t spend time in the word which are many, even though they come to Mass every Sunday understand little if at all, the way to salvation.

I really love the way our Lord Jesus Christ is worshiped in our Mass, but shouldn’t salvation be clearly pointed out to our parishioners, the body of Christ?

Isn’t this why Jesus Christ came down from the glory of heaven and became man, and who went through all the agony, suffering, and humiliation, and died on the cross for?

Isn’t this what he would want?

What a shame it would be if Jesus Christ did all of this for just a few souls. What a shame that would be if we couldn’t see all of our parishioners in heaven. What a shame if God gave up his one and only Son in return for a small harvest.

Shame on us if we don’t do what we were sent here to do especially if we know the way and keep it to ourselves!

God Bless Us All!

]]> Comment on We Want to Hear From You: What Issues in Your Parish and the Region Concern You? by Dale Noble http://olaprcouncil.org/2008/09/24/we-want-to-hear-from-you/comment-page-1/#comment-45 Dale Noble Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:02:13 +0000 http://olaprcouncil.org/?p=66#comment-45 The fact that we are a Sacramental Church is lost on most, both pastors and parishioners. We are urged to be better Christians, but not told how, (i.e. the Sacraments, and the graces gained through Confession and a worthy Communion...not one of sacrilege.) Catholics are allowed to have their own opinions about abortion, birth control and other life issues, without, in most cases, guidance and truth speaking from the pulpit. A number of Bishops, stalwarts of the Church, have recently addressed this in strong statements. Truth is an inspiration and a great motivator. I believe when truth is spoken unashamedly and fearlessly, the Church in our area will grow in strength as it has in other areas. I hope this is addressed as it is the concern of a silent majority who are reluctant to voice it in the public forum, where political correctness and the vocal minority seem to rule. These are the Catholics who are loyal to and respectful of Pope Benedict and the tenets of the Roman Catholic Church, and the ones whose concerns are seldom brought up in these meetings. The fact that we are a Sacramental Church is lost on most, both pastors and parishioners. We are urged to be better Christians, but not told how, (i.e. the Sacraments, and the graces gained through Confession and a worthy Communion…not one of sacrilege.) Catholics are allowed to have their own opinions about abortion, birth control and other life issues, without, in most cases, guidance and truth speaking from the pulpit. A number of Bishops, stalwarts of the Church, have recently addressed this in strong statements. Truth is an inspiration and a great motivator. I believe when truth is spoken unashamedly and fearlessly, the Church in our area will grow in strength as it has in other areas. I hope this is addressed as it is the concern of a silent majority who are reluctant to voice it in the public forum, where political correctness and the vocal minority seem to rule. These are the Catholics who are loyal to and respectful of Pope Benedict and the tenets of the Roman Catholic Church, and the ones whose concerns are seldom brought up in these meetings.

]]> Comment on We Want to Hear From You: What Issues in Your Parish and the Region Concern You? by Marianne Muellerleile http://olaprcouncil.org/2008/09/24/we-want-to-hear-from-you/comment-page-1/#comment-44 Marianne Muellerleile Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:34:09 +0000 http://olaprcouncil.org/?p=66#comment-44 We need some mechanism to help us build leadership and volunteerism in our parish. The handful of volunteer leaders we do have are burnt out. We need some mechanism to help us build leadership and volunteerism in our parish. The handful of volunteer leaders we do have are burnt out.

]]> Comment on We Want to Hear From You: What Issues in Your Parish and the Region Concern You? by Eve B. http://olaprcouncil.org/2008/09/24/we-want-to-hear-from-you/comment-page-1/#comment-43 Eve B. Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:14:39 +0000 http://olaprcouncil.org/?p=66#comment-43 I would love to see more shared resources among the parishes especially between parishes that are poor and those that are wealthier. I would love to see more shared resources among the parishes especially between parishes that are poor and those that are wealthier.

]]> Comment on Report from the Social Justice Committee by Sandy http://olaprcouncil.org/2007/12/01/report-from-the-social-justice-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-40 Sandy Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:51:11 +0000 http://olaprcouncil.org/2007/12/01/report-from-the-social-justice-committee/#comment-40 Are there any more recent meeting minutes available? Are there any more recent meeting minutes available?

]]> Comment on Catholic Perspective on Immigration by Christine Y http://olaprcouncil.org/2007/05/01/catholic-perspective-on-immigration/comment-page-1/#comment-31 Christine Y Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:30:26 +0000 http://olaprcouncil.org/2007/05/01/catholic-perspective-on-immigration/#comment-31 Recently, one lady asked me if I have been told on how to vote and how I should view particular voting issues from the priest / parish / Church. This lady is an active attender at her syngogue. I simply say that I listen to what is being said HOWEVER I always take it upon myself to read up on the issue and read the policy as written. Now if someone wants me to vote in a particular way, I would say, come over to my house and attend to my needs 24/7 and believe me, you have to do everything for me. I believe I have to use my brain and my heart in all matters and I believe that voting is a responsibility that should not be handed over to someone else. Recently, one lady asked me if I have been told on how to vote and how I should view particular voting issues from the priest / parish / Church. This lady is an active attender at her syngogue. I simply say that I listen to what is being said HOWEVER I always take it upon myself to read up on the issue and read the policy as written. Now if someone wants me to vote in a particular way, I would say, come over to my house and attend to my needs 24/7 and believe me, you have to do everything for me. I believe I have to use my brain and my heart in all matters and I believe that voting is a responsibility that should not be handed over to someone else.

]]> Comment on Rosary Rose Bowl - May 19, 2007 by Christine Y http://olaprcouncil.org/2007/02/11/rosary-rose-bowl-may-19-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-30 Christine Y Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:24:51 +0000 http://olaprcouncil.org/2007/02/11/rosary-rose-bowl-may-19-2007/#comment-30 I attended the Rosary Bowl. It was interesting. I do not speak or understand Spanish so the speakers who spoke Spanish - there was no subtitling that I could read on the large screen so I had not idea what was being said. Unclear on who some of the speakers were. It would of been great if the spanish speakers had the English version printed in the handout because I would loved to follow along and hear their story. Following the prayers was distracting. One speaker was just great, she was from Rwwanda. The rep from one of the orgs sounded like he was running for political office - very conservative. Again, when Spanish was spoken - I simply have no idea what was being said. Thanks. I attended the Rosary Bowl. It was interesting. I do not speak or understand Spanish so the speakers who spoke Spanish - there was no subtitling that I could read on the large screen so I had not idea what was being said. Unclear on who some of the speakers were. It would of been great if the spanish speakers had the English version printed in the handout because I would loved to follow along and hear their story. Following the prayers was distracting. One speaker was just great, she was from Rwwanda. The rep from one of the orgs sounded like he was running for political office - very conservative. Again, when Spanish was spoken - I simply have no idea what was being said. Thanks.

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